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bumblebee18

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Hallo an alle Munchkin-Freunde

 

Ich habe mal eine Frage. Als wir das letze mal Munchkin gespielt haben, hat mein Freund die Schummelnkarte auf einen Gegenstand mit der Bezeichnung "nur einmal einsetzbar" gespielt und diesen danach als Permanentgegenstand verwendet. Geht das, denn die Schummelkarte lässt ja viele Interpretationen zu.

 

Danke für eure Antwort schonmal im Vorraus ^^

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Bruenor Newbie

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Nein, würde sagen das geht nicht. Ich zitiere mal aus der offiziellen Antwort aus dem Steve Jackson-Forum:

 

"The Cheat! card does not change the inherent nature of the Item on which it is played."

 

 

Der ganze Text lautet zur Vollständigkeit übrigens wie folgt:

 

"The Cheat! card causes some confusion, so here's a list of everything that it can do:

 

It lets you use another Hand Item when your hands are full, OR

It lets you use another piece of Armor when you're already wearing Armor, OR

It lets you use another piece of Headgear when you're already wearing Headgear, OR

It lets you use another piece of Footgear when you're already wearing Footgear, OR

It lets you carry another Big Item (and use it, too) when you already have reached your limit, OR

It lets you use an extra Complex Item, OR

It lets you have an extra Steed, OR

It lets you have an extra Ship, OR

It lets you use an Item that your current Class/Race/Loyalty/Accent/gender can not use, OR

It lets you use a Steed/Ship/Hireling Enhancer that is an Item to enhance any Item, not only the type of Item that it could only normally enhance*, OR

It works with any other card or promotional item that specifically says you can use it to do something related to that card or promotional item.

 

In all cases, the Item in question must be one you have in your possession legally, either already in play in front of you, or just played from your hand. If you need to apply more than one of the above options for the Item to work (a non-Elf trying to use the Bow With Ribbons with a Cheat! card does not have to have both Hands empty, too), that's fine. If there's an Item that fits all of these, I have a feeling the card wouldn't fit in with the rest because it would be too big, or it would need very small print and have to come with a magnifying glass.

 

Anything not on that list is not a legal play. Don't ask, because the answer will be, "No."

 

The Cheat! card does not change the inherent nature of the Item on which it is played (with the exception of specific types of Enhancers, see below). A Big Item is still Big, even if you have Cheat! on it. The same goes for Armor (it's still Armor), same for Headgear (it's still Headgear), same for an Elf-only Item (it's still Elf-only), and so on. The player of a Cheat!-ed Item simply ignores any restrictions caused by the type of Item that it is. So, as an example: Playing Cheat! on a Big Item does not make it no longer Big, so it can be lost to Curses/Traps/Bad Stuff that take Big Items, and it can not be stolen by a Thief (or someone with the theft meta-ability).

 

Cheat! can not be removed from an Item, normally, therefore it can't be exchanged between Items. The Cheat! card is, however, lost whenever the Item it is played on is lost to the current owner. That means if the Item is stolen, lost to a Curse or Bad Stuff, or taken from the owner in some other way, the Cheat! card attached is discarded. If a player dies, any Item he has Cheat! on will be lost, so all those Cheat! cards must be discarded (they can't be looted), however any Cheat! card in the player's hand must still be lain out with his other lootable stuff.

 

 

* With the Cheat! card, you can use a Ship Enhancer that is an Item on a Steed, a Hireling, or another Item. The same goes with Steed Enhancers and Hireling Enhancers that are Items. This means that you could have a Musket with a Poop Deck, or a Gnome Hireling with Press On Wings, or, if you're blending, a Gnome Hireling with a Poop Deck and Press On Wings. Of course, only if you're using a Cheat! card along with each Enhancer. "

 

(Quelle: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=1044)

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Appolyon Newbie

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Eine Frage zu den ganzen "OR"s. Bedeuten die "entweder oder", oder "und/oder", d.h. Wenn ich schon beide Hände voll und einen großen Gegenstand ausliegen habe, kann ich dann mit Schummeln noch einen großen Felsbrock (2 Hände, groß) dazunehmen? Bisher haben wir das immer so gespielt, dass dies möglich ist, aber die dicken fetten "OR"s lassen jetzt doch Zweifel aufkommen.
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Astartus Newbie

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Schummeln hebt alle Beschränkungen einer Karte auf, also könntest du noch einen großen Gegenstand nutzen der zwei Handslots belegt.

 

Der Satz unter der Liste der Möglichkeiten erläutert das:

If you need to apply more than one of the above options for the Item to work (a non-Elf trying to use the Bow With Ribbons with a Cheat! card does not have to have both Hands empty, too), that's fine.

 

Auf deutsch:

Wenn du mehr als eine der oben genannten Optionen anwenden musst (ein Nicht-Elf, der den Bogen mit bunten Bändern durch Schummeln einsetzen möchte, muss nicht unbedingt beide Hände frei haben) dann ist das in Ordnung.

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Astartus Newbie

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Du kannst es schon, aber da die "Schummeln" Karte nur die Beschränkungen auf anderen karten aufhebt, aber nicht die Regeln im Regelheft, und genau an dieser Stelle steht dass du für die 10te Stufe ein Monster besigen musst, geht das leider nicht.
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